These things seem to be like that, they haven’t had value added to them, that horrible thing of representation, an arty hand passing over it, adding value to it, an extra bit of artness.

Where I’m thinking about whether I like work or not is if it has some level of tension because, I think, the thing that doesn’t can turn into any everyday exchange when someone says this is art, which is a different place to where I’m coming from. I’m trying to introduce an element which disrupts what art is, rather than making everything into art. The idea that art is everything, I’m not sure that’s true, I think that might be turning art into just an experience thing, which seems to be something we do for a different purpose than why art happens. It seems like an attack on art, or an attack on a critical engagement with art.